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From: guest (Pantyhose)
, 131 months, post #1 |
Lately I am reading a lot about human sexuality/sexual paraphilias.
And I found an interesting definition called �Erotic Target
Location Error�, that I think that would explain many things about
the �transformation fetish� and "body swap fetish", that I know
many people here have.
The basic principle about erotic target location error is: You want
to BECOME what you desire. For example, a heterosexual male without
this �error� in the brain, would be sexuality attracted by women.
He see a pretty women and he wants HER.
A man with this �error� would see a pretty woman and want to BECOME
her himself. Just the idea about being a woman already let him
turned on. We could almost say that his "sexual orientation is the
idea about being a woman".
In this particular case that I have quoted, the �Erotic Target
Location Error� manifests trough of what we call "Blanchard
autogynephilia theory" (also known as Blanchard's transsexualism
typology). I particularly think that this will be pretty
interesting among the people that have body swap fetish.
We could almost say that this "Error Erotic Target Location Error"
is a mix of gender identify and sexual orientation, we could even
say that this creates a "auto erotic gender identify".
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From: guest
, 131 months, post #2 |
It sounds like an oversimplification from researchers determined to
pathologize gender and sexual diversity. Oh right. You DID mention
Blanchard.
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From: sexualitylab
, 131 months, post #3 |
I have previously brought up the concept of erotic target location
errors on this board. Your explanation is pretty much the nuts and
bolts of the concept, although I would add that in your example,
the erotic target location error does not necessarily mean a man
experiences NO attraction to women on the outside, just that
anywhere from a little to all of his sexuality is inverted so that
he is sexually interested in himself as a woman. Also, this same
concept (erotic target location error) has been applied to people
attracted to amputees (acrotomophilia) who want to be amputees
themselves (apotemnophilia) as well as people attracted to
anthropomorphic animals who want to be them (furries).
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From: guest (lily)
, 131 months, post #4 |
The word "error" is problematic.
Bailey, Lawrence, and Blanchard all proceed from the assumption
that cisnormative and heteronormative behaviors in some way
represent the essential biological nature of human individuals.
Like the troll haunting this thread
they insist that there must be something that makes one "really" a
man or "really" a woman. That any behaviors that do align that
numinous gender with some prescription for manliness or womanliness
are pathological.
They tend to be credulous when a subject reports inclinations or
identification which comports with their assumptions, but to
dismiss as deluded anyone who reports an experience which does no
so conform.
There is a stunning lack of longitudinal data. Do individuals who
identify as "autogynophilic" maintain this identification
indefinitely? Do self-identified autogynophiles follow similar
trajectories? Do some people "grow out of" this paraphilia? How
often does it persist after gender reassignment surgery?
All of these definitions depend upon western notions of sex and
gender. They have little to do with biology and everything to do
with the way white people in the industrialized west, in the middle
part of the 20th century, tended to think about sex.
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From: guest (sesquipedalian)
, 131 months, post #5 |
OMG!! Big word party over here.
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From: guest (Jill)
, 131 months, post #6 |
huh?
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From: guest (Jayzie)
, 131 months, post #7 |
Lily, it does seem problematic, but the word "error" here could
still apply. The way I see it, it's possible for a straight man to
have sex with a woman, but a man with this kind of "paraphilia" can
never, ever become the thing that he sexually desires to most in
the world.
I do agree though, the word "error" makes it seem worse than what
it really is.
Sometimes I wonder how life would be if I was a woman, either by
magical means or surgery.
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From: guest (lily)
, 131 months, post #8 |
Jayzie - -there is history and context here. The term " Erotic
Target Location Error" was proposed by a man named Ray Blanchard
.
Quoting from a paper
written by Anne Lawrence
"Blanchard (1991) proposed the existence of a hitherto unrecognized
paraphilic dimension, erotic target location errors (ETLEs),
involving the erroneous location of erotic targets in the
environment. ETLEs can involve preferential attention to a
peripheral or inessential part of an erotic target, manifesting as
fetishism, or mislocation of an erotic target in one's own body,
manifesting as the desire to impersonate or become a facsimile of
the erotic target (e.g., transvestism or transsexualism)"
Blanchard's thesis is that there is one correct erotic target: a
person of the opposite sex. The reasoning is something like this:
Sex is for procreation. Sex is fun so that people will procreate.
Any sex not leading to procreation is pathological (or
"paraphilic").
I have mentioned, in other threads, that I am not a psychologist. I
am however a scientist, and this is crappy science.
It is like one of Rudyard Kipling's "Just So" stories. "How The
Transvestite Got His Erection."
The problem is with the starting assumption; that there is some
kind of platonic ideal "male", some quintessential "female" against
which mere mortals can be measured. Worse, Balnchard thinks he
knows what those archetypal beings look like.
Humans are not machines for making more humans. Evolution did not
"design" sexual pleasure as payment for the procreative act.
We arrived at our current state, in our current forms, by a long
and messy process which produced complexity and variety. One of
those varieties is a dude who gets off on dressing up in women's
clothing. Another of those varieties is a woman who is turned on by
men with mid-digital hair and unibrows.
The ways that these various erotic triggers develop and get
activated might be an interesting study for neurology. The ways
that these varieties of human are incorporated (or not) into larger
social groups might be a research topic for anthropologists.
However, I would contend that the thing that Blanchard is trying to
explain -- why paraphilias exist -- isn't even properly framed as a
scientific hypothesis, since it depends upon the unsupported
assumption that there is some philia
which is central and to which all these others can be described as
adjacent and "inessential".
Its not even good greek. Philos and �ros aren't the same thing.
Aristotle meant philos to mean filial piety, loyalty, a love of
community. The word should be para-erotic or parasexual, since it
describes a source of sensual pleasure.
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From: guest (lily)
, 131 months, post #9 | |
Message deleted by cj. double post |
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From: guest (lily)
, 131 months, post #10 |
Okay, there is something wrong with my mouse. I keep double
posting.
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From: guest (Jayzie)
, 131 months, post #11 |
You are pretty intelligent, Lily. I agree with everything you just
posted. Yesterday when I was responding I was actually quite drunk,
lol, probably why I contradicted myself.
I've heard some bad things about Blanchard, tbh. Anyway, another
way to look at it is that there are so many "paraphilias" out
there, (and a multitude of people have the same ones) that there's
no way it's just an error or some kind of genetic mess up. I'd go
so far as to say that billions of people have at least one fetish.
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